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That’s it, I’m done. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻Sep282012
“I know there’s been some back and forth about whether it’s a good thing or not, but all I can say is that it felt right for Loki. It felt like Asgard was not necessarily an un-sexist world and that this guy would not take her [Black Widow] as seriously as he ought, and for him to be truly, truly brutally ugly in his language to reveal himself like that. And for that to be the moment when she gets the upper hand on him? For me that is delightful.”
Joss Whedon, “Avengers” commentary, on the mewling quim controversy (via strangerwmf)
And ya know what? THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT READ TO ME IN THE FIRST PLACE. I was genuinely shocked that there were people who didn’t see it. We know there’s sexism in Asgard, look at what Thor says to Sif about supporting her in her bid to be taken seriously as a warrior. This scene in Avengers, told me everything I needed to know about both Natasha and Loki. Namely, Natasha is brutally ruthless in exploiting weaknesses in adversaries even if it means appearing to make herself vulnerable; and Loki lets his bruised ego get in the way of his brain. A lot.
I loved that scene for all of the reasons listed above and had no issue with the use of the word ‘quim’, in fact I was rather delighted to see it resurrected. It’s an ancient word and totally appropriate for Loki’s character and Asgardian society in general.
The one thing I would say about its use in Avengers is that Loki uses it as an insult whereas, just as with the word ‘cunt’, in it’s older context it wasn’t always used in this fashion. More often than not it was merely used as a descriptive word and it wasn’t until the 18th century that these words dropped out of every day use and remained solely as insults.
Here’s an example of both ‘quim’ and ‘cunt’ used by a female writer from the 15th century.
Ode To Pubic Hair by Gwryful Mechain
Every foolish drunken poet,
boorish vanity without ceasing,
(never may I warrant it,
I of great noble stock,)
has always declaimed fruitless praise
in song of the girls of the lands
all day long, certain gift,
most incompletely, by God the Father:
praising the hair, gown of fine love,
and every such living girl,
and lower down praising merrily
the brows above the eyes;
praising also, lovely shape,
the smoothness of the soft breasts,
and the beauty’s arms, bright drape,
she deserved honour, and the girl’s hands.
Then with his finest wizardry
before night he did sing,
he pays homage to God’s greatness,
fruitless eulogy with his tongue:
leaving the middle without praise
and the place where children are conceived,
and the warm quim, clear excellence,
tender and fat, bright fervent broken circle,
where I loved, in perfect health,
the quim below the smock.
You are a body of boundless strength,
a faultless court of fat’s plumage.
I declare, the quim is fair,
circle of broad-edged lips,
it is a valley longer than a spoon or a hand,
a ditch to hold a penis two hands long;
cunt there by the swelling arse,
song’s table with its double in red.
And the bright saints, men of the church,
when they get the chance, perfect gift,
don’t fail, highest blessing,
by Beuno, to give it a good feel.
For this reason, thorough rebuke,
all you proud poets,
let songs to the quim circulate
without fail to gain reward.
Sultan of an ode, it is silk,
little seam, curtain on a fine bright cunt,
flaps in a place of greeting,
the sour grove, it is full of love,
very proud forest, faultless gift,
tender frieze, fur of a fine pair of testicles,
a girl’s thick grove, circle of precious greeting,
lovely bush, God save it.
“There’s no time for romance, we have shit to Avenge.”
on the lack of romantic subplot in The Avengers.
“One of the first things Robert said when we were meeting about the movie was “There’s no way Tony Stark gets in a room with Bruce Banner and doesn’t poke him”. There’s no way. He wants to see it happen, he wants to see how that guy works. And that is not only true, not only ended up in the movie but ultimately informs their entire arc, which is one of my favourite things in the movie. The idea that Tony Stark is not intimidated by the concept of the Hulk and, in fact, thinks that Bruce needs to embrace his inner Hulk as it were, sounds like pure classic Tony irresponsibility and in fact it is you know what save us all because and ultimately what saves Tony because he allows Bruce to…he sets him up and lets him gets to the place where he can decide to be the Hulk.”
Joss Whedon on the Tony/Bruce relationship (The Avengers Blu Ray Commentary)
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